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Commander OTG Caldari Logistic Exposium Industries	Posted - 2008.03.04 06:12:00 - [1] Nearly a year ago i was sitting here reading dev blogs and member speculation and it donned on me the possible future of salvaging. I took a guess at hte skills that may be used for it and I began training them non-stop. I spent nearly six months maxxing out all skills pertaining to probing, hacking, salvaging and covert ops in order to make exploring and salvaging my main profession I have invested 100's of millions in riggs, implants and ships that I may do it better and faster. I have developed a code of ethics when it comes to this new profession. I seek out wrecks and missions and when I find then I contact the person/s responsible for creating the wreck and ask if they intend on salvaging them themselves. I offer 50% of the salvage as a finders fee. If the person does not respond to my request I merely salvage it and move on. With all this hard work and investment, I hear rumblings from mission runners making claim that the wrecks are thiers and they should have sole rights to them. That they would sooner blow them up then to let someone else get to them. Runners stating that CCP best change the situation or there with be horrible backlash. Developers have repeatedly claimed that Eve is a cruel environment. And with all the whining and crying it may end up harsh for the legitimate salvagers. Originally by: GM Faolchu It is within the rules of the game for someone to enter your mission and steal the loot/salvage.
Commander OTG Caldari Logistic Exposium Industries	Posted - 2008.03.05 07:57:00 - [2] Edited by: Commander OTG on 05/03/2008 08:05:15 I did mention that I maxxed the skills pertaining to probing, hacking, salvaging and covert ops....those would include the ones you are pointing out also To be specific, i have the following... Cloaking 5 Covert Ops 5 Signature analysis 5 Survey 5 Salvaging 5 Archaeology 5 Astrometric Pinpointing 5 Astrometric Triangulation 5 Astrometrics 5 Hacking 5 Signal Acquisition 5 Cybernetics 5 I run full set of prospector implants and T2 rigs Originally by: GM Faolchu It is within the rules of the game for someone to enter your mission and steal the loot/salvage.
Commander OTG Caldari Logistic Exposium Industries	Posted - 2008.03.05 23:43:00 - [3] As memory serves me.....salvaging never created a flagging...it was looting the wreck, which could not be done without first removing the loot from it. The patch resolved this issue by allowing a person to salvage the wreck without touching the loot. Someone mentioned above regarding manufacturing probes and mining and such.....yes I do this as well..lol Originally by: GM Faolchu It is within the rules of the game for someone to enter your mission and steal the loot/salvage.
Commander OTG Caldari Logistic Exposium Industries	Posted - 2008.03.07 07:26:00 - [4] And there in lies the difference between us. While you perceive that the space trash belongs to the fastest ship. I choose to respect the work/effort that it took to create said wrecks. If the mission runners chose to take a week off...most of the salvagers would starve. Few of you create your own wrecks. Originally by: GM Faolchu It is within the rules of the game for someone to enter your mission and steal the loot/salvage.
Commander OTG Caldari Logistic Exposium Industries	Posted - 2008.03.07 16:32:00 - [5] There is no doubt that a change is coming. It has happened in the past with the Nano domi's, with the over powering NOS, with flagging can flippers. There is a rallying force and it is snowballing as more and more salvagers are entering missions and making the mission runners aware that they are less safe then ever. CCP has made a statement that salvaging is an intended mechanic, however I believe they are re-thinking their stance as they see the griefing that is going beyond mere salvaging. Mission specific items are being taken and either ransomed or worse yet, destroyed in retaliation for the runner destroying the wrecks. Everyone has their opinion and I do not judge them for theirs. I merely see an oportunity for salvagers and mission runners to benefit from each others skills, rather then suffer "raod rage" as it were. Originally by: GM Faolchu It is within the rules of the game for someone to enter your mission and steal the loot/salvage.
Commander OTG Caldari Logistic Exposium Industries	Posted - 2008.03.07 17:48:00 - [6] I will look into it more tonight. I recall a recent post by a Dev that they were looking into the issues. I can't provide a link now and I may absolutely be mistaking this for a member post, but I am fairly confidant that I am correct. Originally by: GM Faolchu It is within the rules of the game for someone to enter your mission and steal the loot/salvage.
Commander OTG Caldari Logistic Exposium Industries	Posted - 2008.03.08 18:31:00 - [7] This would be a great time for CCP to introduce those salvaging drones thats been eluded to. Originally by: GM Faolchu It is within the rules of the game for someone to enter your mission and steal the loot/salvage.
Commander OTG Caldari Logistic Exposium Industries	Posted - 2008.03.09 04:26:00 - [8] Some missioneers alts will be flashing red if thats the case. Originally by: GM Faolchu It is within the rules of the game for someone to enter your mission and steal the loot/salvage.
Commander OTG Caldari Logistic Exposium Industries	Posted - 2008.03.09 21:15:00 - [9] Originally by: Taguchi Hiroko I think it's a matter of privacy. ppl doing missions wanna be left alone and don't wanna see some guy on his overview flying around him. Not so much about the wrecks themselves, although some do salvage them after the missions (I do). most ninja salvagers are griefers, kinda like ore theives. I warp off when I see them and let the rats pop em. If they flag, I come back in a recon or a destroyer with sensor booster and pop em. If all else fails, I pop all my wrecks and see if they wanna ** with me some more. So far it's working, they off my missions. I have to say that that no one is directly targeting you. As a high level prober, I can assure you that a salvager is not able to confirm who the mission runner is until they have arrived at the probed destination. Destroying your wrecks will likely not prevent them from probing you out at a later date and attempting it again. I am having great results with offering the mission runners portion of the salvage. I do wait until they have completed their missions before I attempt any intrusion. Quote: Originally by: GM Faolchu** It is within the rules of the game for someone to enter your mission and steal the loot/salvage.
Commander OTG Caldari Logistic Exposium Industries	Posted - 2008.03.10 17:22:00 - [10] From the looks of the upcoming patch notes, I am convinced that things are in fact going to change. I think the statement that I have as my signature was made under duress. An immediate answer needed to be given to stop the smacking back and forth between slvagers and mission runners. But it appears that they are going to create some method for the missioners to claim their wrecks. Should be interesting. Often, pirates attempt to contract me to probe out certain ship types in dead space. With salvage suddenly being so valuable, i see these pirates trying to appear as salvagers in order to get aggro... Quote: Originally by: GM Faolchu It is within the rules of the game for someone to enter your mission and steal the loot/salvage.
Commander OTG Logistic Exposium Industries	Posted - 2008.03.10 22:55:00 - [11] Here is another link to the patch notes. Go down to the section describing missions and such Linkage Quote: Originally by: GM Faolchu It is within the rules of the game for someone to enter your mission and steal the loot/salvage.
Commander OTG Logistic Exposium Industries	Posted - 2008.03.11 15:34:00 - [12] I hardly see the new ships as a solution for the low level mission runners; those just starting out. They could not afford such a cost early in thier careers. If this was really the intention then the salvagers would be inclined to take from the newest members of Eve. We may lose alot of new players that view this as greifing and decide to leave. Im not sure how you view this happening, but my opinion is the more people playing the better the game gets both within the Universe (more people to interact with) and out of it (more income me bigger and better expansions in a shorter time) As a person that salvages 4-5 hours per day on average, I am certainly crossing my fingers that salvaging doesn't get effected negatively. I would, however, like to see a bit of balance for the players. I sat 4 jumps away from a trading hub last night in an itty 5 and in the matter of 20 minutes was probed out by 4 herons and a buzzard. Quote: Originally by: GM Faolchu It is within the rules of the game for someone to enter your mission and steal the loot/salvage.
Commander OTG	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:01:00 - [13] With the cans and wrecks showing on scanner, will this make any impact to the mission runners now? Im thinking it really doesnt help but rather allows Pirates to take note of your damage/resist type before coming out after you Quote: Originally by: GM Faolchu It is within the rules of the game for someone to enter your mission and steal the loot/salvage.
Commander OTG	Posted - 2008.03.21 16:02:00 - [14] Not really a ninja salvager per say, at least in my understanding of the definition. Currently our corp only has two members because our original goal was to run high sec research POS and it was essential to keep the standing up high enough to be able to anchor them. We also specialized in ice mining, refining and now of course jump freighters to get the needed feul to those that find themselves in desperate need of it (not giving away the buyers name) For security purposes, we are not taking on new persons. We must be able to assure our customers a level of anonimity and prefer to keep the locations of our 0.0 moon mining and ship building POS under cover. If an alliance were formed with a salvage theme, I would definately consider joining. Quote: Originally by: GM Faolchu It is within the rules of the game for someone to enter your mission and steal the loot/salvage.
Commander OTG Logistic Exposium Industries	Posted - 2008.03.25 23:29:00 - [15] Whos going to pay for my probes?? In real life I am a contactor. I dont expect my customers to pay me for the advertisement i published in order to get their business. It is a cost of doing business. If you are probing and find no results do you give up probing because those were not paid for by another party? of course not. I am overly sick of whining salvagers and overly emotional mission runners. I play the game like i live real life. I have respect for those i come across and wish to be treated the same way. I can guarantee that my attitude and outlook gets me more salvage then those that merely attempt to take it with no concern or appreciation for those that created it...not to mention i get the luxury of tractor beaming the wrecks... Quote: Originally by: GM Faolchu It is within the rules of the game for someone to enter your mission and steal the loot/salvage.
Commander OTG Logistic Exposium Industries	Posted - 2008.03.27 14:41:00 - [16] How goes it Hiden? We are contemplating an alliance. We have gotten an overwhelming response so far and are looking into the impact of our side business. Quote: Originally by: GM Faolchu It is within the rules of the game for someone to enter your mission and steal the loot/salvage.
Commander OTG Logistic Exposium Industries	Posted - 2008.03.28 12:26:00 - [17] I haven't been dec'd up to this point, nor even threatened. In all honesty, 98% of the mission runners I encounter are in NPC corps preventing a war dec. As far as my cost in expenses being passed on to customers in my real life business..the majority of my business is repeat business and I honor the pricing structure that I have maintained over the years other then the increase in material costs. I also may choose to take time off on a whim to go fishing or late night exploring...etc and I wouldn't feel its fair to raise my standard price to the next customer to make up for it. If I do something outside the scope of a customers project, I draw that expense from my own profit and not add it to the customers bill...just how I personally do business. Quote: Originally by: GM Faolchu It is within the rules of the game for someone to enter your mission and steal the loot/salvage.

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